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		<title>Stories (again)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Apologies up front &#8211; this is very much a &#8216;thinking out loud&#8217; blog entry and may well descend into a bit of a rant. You have been warned! Even so, I&#8217;d appreciate your thoughts.</p> <p>On Sunday I was leading the whole service and the choice of hymns, reading, sermon, etc was entirely mine. Over [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies up front &#8211; this is very much a &#8216;thinking out loud&#8217; blog entry and may well descend into a bit of a rant. You have been warned! Even so, I&#8217;d appreciate your thoughts.</p>
<p>On Sunday I was leading the whole service and the choice of hymns, reading, sermon, etc was entirely mine. Over Advent we have spent a bit of time in Luke&#8217;s gospel and finished off towards the end of Luke chapter 2. I decided to pick up from that point and deal with a passage that isn&#8217;t (in my experience) covered very often &#8211; the incident of Jesus, as a boy, doing a bunk from the family group and being found in the Temple. I felt it fitted well with a Ne Year start as I believe the passage does a number of things, including giving a glimpse of Jesus&#8217; future life, ministry and purpose but also leaving us with a challenge also very appropriate for the beginning of a new year and a new session &#8211; where would we expect to find Jesus if we went looking for Him?</p>
<p><span id="more-605"></span>OK, so that&#8217;s the background and now here&#8217;s the rant.</p>
<p>I received a comment that the sermon was a bit too &#8216;Bible-study&#8217; and I think this harks back to the issue of story-telling. Basically, I didn&#8217;t weave much in the way of anecdotes into the sermon. Quite simply, I didn&#8217;t have any &#8211; at least none that made any contextual sense. Yes I have kids but I&#8217;ve never &#8216;lost&#8217; them for several days and, quite frankly, that&#8217;s not the point of the passage. I could have spoken about the importance of being in church regularly but that would be to utterly miss the point. Precocious children? Possibly, but again, not the issue.</p>
<p>This passage is utterly focused on Jesus &#8211; His self-understanding, His mission and His purpose &#8211; and here is the root of my issue with stories and anecdotes. They&#8217;re not about Jesus! (Warning &#8211; rant time) I love theology. I love Biblical interpretation. My narrow-mindedness struggles to understand why others don&#8217;t love it too. I don&#8217;t need/want other stories to chew over &#8211; the ones from scripture are &#8216;chewy&#8217; enough. And here&#8217;s another point &#8211; they&#8217;re not made up stories! People like hearing anecdotes because it makes things more &#8216;real&#8217; for them. What!? The Bible isn&#8217;t &#8216;real&#8217; enough? I think we often forget that the stories we read in scripture are real people, dealing with real situations. Even the metaphorical passages and the myths/sagas have real people behind them struggling with the real issue of making sense of God and of faith. How much more &#8216;real&#8217; do you need?</p>
<p>I also think there&#8217;s a more subtle, insidious undercurrent to this as well. I think there is an element of &#8220;don&#8217;t explain the passage to me, just tell me what to think&#8221;. I hate doing this. I would much rather do a &#8216;Bible study&#8217; approach, give people the pertinent details, point out the subtleties, the nuances, the allusions and let them start thinking for themselves (or, more importantly, begin thinking things through prayerfully and seeking the Spirit&#8217;s guidance).</p>
<p>OK, for this passage I simply couldn&#8217;t come up with a vaguely pertinent anecdote or personal story. Maybe that&#8217;s not an excuse and maybe my negative reaction is a defensive response to a criticism that makes me wonder if I tried hard enough during preparation. It also doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t see the value of stories &#8211; in their place.</p>
<p>I have also been wondering about another aspect of this. I claim to love theology and Bible study but when I deliver from the pulpit I suspect it comes across as dry and academic. I&#8217;ve spoken to people about theology and they&#8217;ve commented that they can tell I&#8217;m passionate about it. Maybe that&#8217;s part of what I need to be doing &#8211; passing on that passion.</p>
<p>I do think that the &#8216;stories&#8217; we have in scripture are more than adequate and that they really don&#8217;t need to be augmented with lesser anecdotes. I do think that people need to be led into really thinking about them, seeing them as &#8216;real&#8217; and relevant, not just as dusty history or dry theology. I was also told that my job is to &#8216;sell the message&#8217;. I don&#8217;t agree &#8211; the message is there for people to take to themselves in the power of the Spirit, not me. Charismatic preaching often lasts only as long as the charismatic teacher. When we learn to read and understand for ourselves we rely only on our relationship with God. We undoubtedly need others to bounce our understanding off and to provide the checks and balances for our own interpretation, but we should not be relying on others to tell us what to think.</p>
<p>I suppose, if nothing else, it all gives me a sense of what sort of ministry I would see myself in. But, of course, that&#8217;s not to suggest I&#8217;ll be given that luxury.</p>
<p>OK, rant over, for the moment. As you were.</p>
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		<title>From personal experience</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I had the opportunity to lead the whole service in my placement church. Not a big problem &#8211; it&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve done many times. That said, being somewhere new has the added pressures of not knowing what they know, not knowing how recently they may have covered the chosen passage (an advantage of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I had the opportunity to lead the whole service in my placement church. Not a big problem &#8211; it&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve done many times. That said, being somewhere new has the added pressures of not knowing what they know, not knowing how recently they may have covered the chosen passage (an advantage of following the lectionary), whether you are about to utterly contradict previous teaching or whether you&#8217;re getting too close to personal/pastoral issues. On the plus side, such pressures do help focus the mind and maybe force you to take that bit extra care of how something is worded.</p>
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<p>Anyway, it all seemed to go well enough and, despite having two video clips to show (one mine, one for the Christmas Gift Sunday appeal) there didn&#8217;t seem to be any technical gremlins. I was preaching from a favourite passage but with a completely different slant on it than previous times I&#8217;ve used it (which is why it&#8217;s a favourite, there&#8217;s always something new in it). That also helped to be more relaxed. Afterwards, at the door, there was the usual encouragement and the usual &#8220;lovely service&#8221; comments &#8211; which are frustrating, but just the way it is. However, there is a small group in the congregation who have been asked to give me more &#8216;honest&#8217; and constructive feedback and it wasn&#8217;t long before I was nabbed for a &#8216;wee chat&#8217;.</p>
<p>Actually it was all good (mostly), with the interesting observation that I appeared much more relaxed and confident while I was doing the all-age talk and preaching than at other times in the service. Probably fair comment &#8211; that&#8217;s when I feel most &#8216;at home&#8217; and doing what I feel called to do.</p>
<p>There was one comment though that got me thinking and it&#8217;s something I am aware of and struggle with to a degree &#8211; anecdotes.</p>
<p>I thoroughly despise &#8216;canned&#8217; anecdotes. Chances are everyone has already heard them or read them on the internet months before. And, to be fair, I haven&#8217;t worked with a supervisor yet who &#8216;approves&#8217; of them. But I also struggle with personal anecdotes. It&#8217;s not an issue of sharing them or exposing my soul or anything like that, it&#8217;s just that they&#8217;re my anecdotes and I don&#8217;t always see how they would be of interest to others. I&#8217;m not particularly shy or lacking in life-experience either. I also fully appreciate the value of a personal anecdote &#8211; but generally I&#8217;m thinking of someone else&#8217;s. Such personal stories help illustrate a Biblical passage; they make it more relevant; they make &#8216;ownership&#8217; of the story easier.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a natural storyteller (at least I don&#8217;t think I am). I&#8217;m a &#8216;teacher&#8217;. I can explain and expound; I can (I hope) enthuse and illuminate; but I struggle to tell a story. I can contemporise, giving examples of where one might find a similar situation or come across a similar dilemma or moral issue. But I generally assume (or hope) that in such a process, those who are listening can begin to relate it to their <em>own</em> experience and not rely on mine (or my lack of it).</p>
<p>Students are often told of how important it is to find their own voice. How do I find my hidden story-teller?</p>
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		<title>Funeral insights</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a packed day and sets the tone for the next few days in fact.</p> <p>This morning started off with a pre-funeral visit and it was good to be observing only at this stage. Definitely a visit that provided plenty of insights into the task of planning a funeral. Biggest insight was to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a packed day and sets the tone for the next few days in fact.</p>
<p>This morning started off with a pre-funeral visit and it was good to be observing only at this stage. Definitely a visit that provided plenty of insights into the task of planning a funeral. Biggest insight was to &#8216;listen very, very carefully&#8217;. I don&#8217;t mean just for the details, but when you are being told things in a deadpan manner but with a twinkle in the eye you could easily end up accepting a story at face value and saying something that would entirely inappropriate. It was also good to see yet another approach to gathering information and I&#8217;m somewhat in awe of my supervisor&#8217;s ability to remember names and details without notes. I see the value of developing that skill because my note-taking was sometimes the subject of some comment and I could see that it might be distracting. That said, I wouldn&#8217;t want to rely on my memory for a list of family names and key dates.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written up my own take on the tribute so it&#8217;ll be interesting to compare notes and styles. Crafting the tribute itself was in interesting experience. You obviously want to cover as much as possible and add colour to bare facts. But by the same token you can&#8217;t include all the anecdotes and memories &#8211; and nor is it appropriate to do so. Those are often very specific memories, special to the person or group relating them to you. But the stories hold the essence of the person you are speaking about. It seems t me that the task of the minister is to distil out that essence and present it in a way that is still recognisable as the deceased and is detailed enough to trigger the memories and thoughts that bring the story to life. Distilling it too much risks losing something of the character of the person; not distilling it enough risks cheapening the tribute as a simple series of anecdotes.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the language. Should it be pitched high or low? Should it be my &#8216;voice&#8217; or should it suit the setting and the people who are there? If I use my own phrasing for something or pick words I would like to hear then I&#8217;m risking alienating those who are listening. But then what are the expectations? I&#8217;m meant to be the one with the words, the means to express what would be difficult or upsetting for another to say. And sometimes that means an expectation of using &#8216;proper&#8217; words, respectful words, educated words. And if I lapse into colloquialisms and slang then it&#8217;s not me, not my true voice. There&#8217;s an assumption there about the order of the relationship, but it also applies the other way up as well.</p>
<p>Anyway, plenty to think about. The funeral is early next week and I&#8217;ll be participating in a small way. It&#8217;s easy to trot out the trite phrases about what a privilege it is to be alongside others at such a time, but at the moment I&#8217;m simply aware of the burden of responsibility we carry to speak words that are meaningful and to be true to the stories that have been shared with me/us. Just as well we&#8217;re not in it alone.</p>
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		<title>Deja vu</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>One of the things you notice when you visit people is that you will often hear the same stories on subsequent visits. With many people you&#8217;ll get a &#8216;but I&#8217;ve told you this before&#8217; comment, but what happens when it&#8217;s someone whose memory isn&#8217;t what it once was? My supervisor asked me the question [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things you notice when you visit people is that you will often hear the same stories on subsequent visits. With many people you&#8217;ll get a &#8216;but I&#8217;ve told you this before&#8217; comment, but what happens when it&#8217;s someone whose memory isn&#8217;t what it once was? My supervisor asked me the question a while ago about whether such visits continue to have value or whether there is better use of a minister&#8217;s time. It&#8217;s especially pertinent when the person visited has little or no recollection of you even having visited previously. It may sound a little callous but it&#8217;s a legitimate question (and especially when time pressures come to bear).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I have any kind of answer and I expect that whatever thoughts I have now will almost certainly change when the reality of ministry hits. I believe that stories are important. They define, in many ways, who we are. They are our condensed memory of an event, an experience or a relationship. They are coloured by our prejudice and edited by our ego. But they are important to us and telling them to others allows our stories (and ourselves) to have a place in a bigger story. By hearing stories we give a sense of value and worth to the teller. By bringing their story into our story we grow our own story and allow it to grow and change. And of course, by integrating our story, and the stories we hear, into the ongoing &#8216;narrative&#8217; we have with God and our faith, then we also grow. And, of course, we have an example in Jesus who &#8216;unravelled&#8217; people&#8217;s stories and opened them up to allow the gospel to become part of their story.</p>
<p>So, when we visit and hear a story, we continue to affirm the life of a person, the importance of their story and their continuing place in the broader story of the church family. When we hear the same story over and over again it may try our patience and we may doubt the use of our time, but it is a way of showing we value the person who is a loved creation of God.</p>
<p>All well and good, but can the reality be sustained in &#8216;real ministry&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Stories</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to fit in some pastoral visits before I finish up at KHR. Having had a cold the other week has meant they&#8217;ve piled up somewhat so I&#8217;m doing a bit of juggling to fit in as many as I can reasonably do. Anyhoo&#8230; that&#8217;s for me to juggle and not complain about.</p> [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to fit in some pastoral visits before I finish up at KHR. Having had a cold the other week has meant they&#8217;ve piled up somewhat so I&#8217;m doing a bit of juggling to fit in as many as I can reasonably do. Anyhoo&#8230; that&#8217;s for me to juggle and not complain about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done two visits so far and they were both quite different yet the common theme might be the stories that the two people had to tell. More to the point, they actually had stories worth hearing. How many people are sitting in our circle of acquaintances with a story that would rival that of any best-selling page-turner? More than we know I suspect. Tales of danger (and I mean real danger), exotic travel, loyal service and all the more fascinating and exciting for being true. And generally told with such modesty too and even then only told after a fair bit of prompting. One elderly lady, who looks very &#8216;proper&#8217; &#8211; &#8216;posh&#8217; even &#8211; used to drive Bedford trucks and all manner of other things during service in the RAF. Other stories of wartime service are just downright scary.</p>
<p>It means that we often then look upon the person in a very different light. But why should we have to hear a story before that happens? And what of the ongoing story? The ups and downs of a faith journey can be every bit as exciting and it is a journey we get to share, particularly in a pastoral capacity. One of my hospital chaplaincy placement visits last week was notable in this respect. I kept being asked my story and found myself sharing my testimony with a chap. I felt I had spoken too much and not really spent enough time getting his story. But at the end the visit he told me how much he had appreciated hearing it because he takes so much strength and encouragement from hearing how God works in others.</p>
<p>The point, I guess, is that we all have stories to share and discover from others. Stories bind us to one another through shared experience, shared anxieties, shared enthusiasms. Stories also bring understanding and can be a source of strength, encouragement or even act as a salutary lesson in what not to do. This is especially true when it comes to faith, I would suggest. Sharing stories requires trust though. We are all concerned about whether, through our stories, we will sound ridiculous, prideful, arrogant, stupid. When we have an opportunity to receive a story it&#8217;s important, I believe, to acknowledge the gift and to treat that story with respect. Whether it&#8217;s ridiculous or exciting, the story is who that person is, their picture of themself. How else can we get to really know one another, except through our stories?</p>
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