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		<title>The problem of words</title>
		<link>http://johnorr.me.uk/2010/09/07/the-problem-of-words/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As someone whose job is &#8216;words&#8217; it should mean that I am more careful than many about how they are used and, indeed, which ones I use. I can get very picky about words &#8211; especially theological ones. I dislike &#8216;sloppy&#8217; words which get one into a fankle when speaking of God. I dislike [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone whose job is &#8216;words&#8217; it should mean that I am more careful than many about how they are used and, indeed, which ones I use. I can get very picky about words &#8211; especially theological ones. I dislike &#8216;sloppy&#8217; words which get one into a fankle when speaking of God. I dislike inaccurate words which are used incorrectly. Unfortunately, I am not immune from falling into the same pitfalls.</p>
<p>I recently <a title="OrrWhat? - Crisis!? What crisis?" href="http://johnorr.me.uk/2010/08/25/crisis-what-crisis/">wrote about</a> the BBC programme, &#8216;A Church in Crisis?&#8217;. In that article I picked up on the issue of secularism, even suggesting that a fellow blogger had mistakenly promulgated a misconception. Peter very kindly <a title="OrrWhat? - Comments for Crisis!? What crisis?" href="http://johnorr.me.uk/2010/08/25/crisis-what-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-5308">replied</a> to my article but his comment was caught by an over-zealous spam filter and didn&#8217;t appear until he questioned me about it. He questioned my interpretation of secularism and suggested that in its promotion of egalitarianism it serves a very useful function; undermining power structures (especially religious ones) and promoting individual control.</p>
<p>Peter&#8217;s usage is, I would suggest, more true to the root understanding of secularism &#8211; the separation of church and state. This is a part of the definition of secularism found on the <a title="The Secular Society - definition of secularism" href="http://www.secularism.org.uk/whatissecularism.html" target="_blank">Secular Society</a>&#8216;s website:</p>
<blockquote><p>Secularism supports the individual against the pressure of the group and  the individual conscience against the dogma of the group.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but think that these are words which the church could easily get behind and endorse. And yet, here is the problem with words. They accumulate baggage that ends up creating division which isn&#8217;t present in the core definition. Or perhaps, one might say that words are twisted to mean whatever we need them to mean in our own context.</p>
<p>Secularism is one such. From a Christian perspective, it is often used almost pejoratively &#8211; the implicit threat it contains to the religious establishment turns it into something tainted. Yet, one cannot deny that it is a word which has been seized by many as a banner or slogan around which to rally in opposition to religion.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the answer then? At worst, one falls into the post-modern malaise of having define one&#8217;s terms every time. It is, undoubtedly, necessary to separate the &#8216;word&#8217; from the inherited baggage at times. Yet it is often the &#8216;baggage&#8217; which gives a word its richness of meaning. The problem with words is that they&#8217;re all we have to explain things by. Yet, on the other hand, they&#8217;re not all we have to show Christianity by. We may be followers of the Word, but we are known as such by our actions.</p>
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		<title>Missing the obvious</title>
		<link>http://johnorr.me.uk/2010/09/03/missing-the-obvious/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 18:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I think I must be excruciatingly dim and I have to wonder why I ever felt I ought to respond to a call to ministry. I was reading a post on one of my favourite blogs earlier and came across these words:</p> <p>The entire trajectory of Scripture points to a kaleidoscopic people of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I think I must be excruciatingly dim and I have to wonder why I ever felt I ought to respond to a call to ministry. I was reading <a title="Internet Monk - With all due respect" href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/with-all-due-respect-2" target="_blank">a post</a> on one of my favourite blogs earlier and came across these words:</p>
<blockquote><p>The entire trajectory of Scripture points to a kaleidoscopic people of God, ever  more diverse, with always surprising revelations of unlikely people using their  gifts in unexpected and even subversive ways to encourage the family and bless  the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>A simple enough statement but about something that has just whooshed past me without me noticing. It&#8217;s such an obvious statement about the witness of scripture that I can&#8217;t help but feel somewhat dim for only just noticing it.</p>
<p>Of course, as for the implications&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Nuggets to ponder</title>
		<link>http://johnorr.me.uk/2010/09/02/nuggets-to-ponder/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Many of the sessions at conference were worthy of note and I&#8217;ll probably be reflecting on some of them in due course. But here are some choice little nuggets from one session in particular. They&#8217;re probably somewhat paraphrased rather than accurate words and I offer no commentary, simply letting them stand as they are.</p> [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the sessions at conference were worthy of note and I&#8217;ll probably be reflecting on some of them in due course. But here are some choice little nuggets from one session in particular. They&#8217;re probably somewhat paraphrased rather than accurate words and I offer no commentary, simply letting them stand as they are.</p>
<blockquote><p>The scripture readings should not be &#8216;attacked&#8217; in a sermon.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Christian is an adjective, never a noun.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The response to decline is not to build a fortress.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The clergy need to learn to be quiet.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Crisis!? What crisis?</title>
		<link>http://johnorr.me.uk/2010/08/25/crisis-what-crisis/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Last night, BBC Scotland aired a short documentary, A Church in Crisis?, about the Church of Scotland and its current circumstances. The broadcast date marks the anniversary of the Kirk&#8217;s creation following the Scottish Reformation. Peter has already blogged about the programme and notes that it offered a balanced view of the Kirk&#8217;s present [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night, BBC Scotland aired a short documentary, <a title="BBC Scotland - A Church in Crisis" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tjr1j" target="_blank">A Church in Crisis?</a>, about the Church of Scotland and its current circumstances. The broadcast date marks the anniversary of the Kirk&#8217;s creation following the Scottish Reformation. Peter has <a title="Blantyre St.Andrews - Peter's Blog - A Church in Crisis?" href="http://www.standrewsblantyre.com/index.php/about-us/our-minister/peters-blog/707-a-church-in-crisis" target="_blank">already blogged</a> about the programme and notes that it offered a balanced view of the Kirk&#8217;s present state.</p>
<p>There was the &#8220;What&#8217;s the Kirk ever done for us?&#8221; bit; a reminder of the legacy of that early push for education and literacy which established Scotland as a leader in educational achievement. The Kirk&#8217;s social conscience was highlighted and its impact on today&#8217;s social care noted. Although that place is now filled more and more by local authority groups, the Kirk still has a significant presence in this area. It begs the question though, as a friend recently discussed with me, that perhaps the Kirk has achieved what it set out to do in this area -  show how social care ought to be done &#8211; and now it is time to invest the resources in other work of social inclusion and justice.</p>
<p>However, the outlining of the current state of the Kirk jangled a few nerves. It rightly highlighted falling membership, financial pressures and ministerial resources as areas causing concern. But it phrased them in a slightly disingenuous way I thought. Falling mambership cannot be disputed, but little was made of the changing social culture where &#8216;membership&#8217;, of anything, is increasingly becoming out-of-date. Loose affiliations and fluid loyalties are the characteristics of our present society. Any sort of &#8216;commitment&#8217; has people running a mile. I&#8217;m not suggesting that the numbers attending church are in any way much rosier than they are, but membership numbers alone do not tell the whole story.</p>
<p>The financial situation was also misrepresented. A running deficit of just over £5m is not the same as being &#8220;nearly £6m in the red&#8221; as was reported. Again, I&#8217;m not suggesting this is an acceptable situation, but it ought tohave been reported accurately. Furthermore, little was made of the proposals to address that deficit.</p>
<p>Associated with that was the throwaway comment of &#8220;only four trainees have entered Scotland&#8217;s leading divinity school.&#8221; Now, while I would happily agree with that assessment of New College&#8217;s place in the ordering of things, to ignore the intake at the other institutions is irresponsible and misleading. New College has fallen foul of entrance quota restrictions in its associated University College. Those who have been unable to gain a place have deferred or have gone to one of the other institutions. A fairer report would have been to cite overall numbers in training.</p>
<p>But I want to highlight one final thing in the programme which went entirely unchallenged and has an insidious effect on how we, the Church, approach things. Peter fell into the same trap in his assessment as well. It is stated, without any qualification or justification, that we live in a secular society. I&#8217;m not convinced that this is true. I would, perhaps, have agreed ten or twenty years ago, but not today. Secularism is also fighting a losing battle as many more people begin to see the society of ten, twenty, thirty years ago as heading towards moral bankruptcy. In a similar way to post-war theologians, there is a reaction against the &#8216;me-centred&#8217; doctrines of, in today&#8217;s case, the consumerist state. More people are now looking for &#8216;something else&#8217; to help order their life. There has been, in recent years, an increase in &#8216;spirituality&#8217; in our cultural mindset. The unfortunate thing is that the years of secularism have left many without the vocabulary or grounding of a Christian spirituality. Pic&#8217;n'mix religion has become the order of the day. This, I would suggest, is a very different challenge to the church. It&#8217;s one thing dealing with a society which is entirely indifferent to religion, quite another to deal with people who see all religions as their personal spiritual supermarket to pick and choose from as it suits them.</p>
<p>Without a doubt the Kirk has some hard times ahead but I would tend to agree with Ron Ferguson&#8217;s thoughts towards the end of the programme that a beleaguered church is not necessarily a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>How to be a clone</title>
		<link>http://johnorr.me.uk/2010/06/24/how-to-be-a-clone/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 07:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In a stroke of good luck (sorry, blessing), Michael Patton published a list of rules all new Christians must follow. It is a very useful follow-up on my post on Christian clones. (And, yes, it is tongue-in-cheek &#8211; I think).</p> ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a stroke of good luck (sorry, blessing), Michael Patton published <a title="Parchment and Pen - Beginners guide to Christianity" href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2010/06/the-beginners-guide-to-christianity/" target="_blank">a list of rules all new Christians must follow</a>. It is a very useful follow-up on my post on Christian clones. (And, yes, it is tongue-in-cheek &#8211; I think).</p>
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		<title>Christian clones</title>
		<link>http://johnorr.me.uk/2010/06/22/christian-clones/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In that amazing way that only seems to come through a sense of God at work by the Spirit, there was a consistent theme running through much of the activity and challenge on the recent trip to Geneva. (Although I suspect that the lecturers who organised the trip would like to claim that that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that amazing way that only seems to come through a sense of God at work by the Spirit, there was a consistent theme running through much of the activity and challenge on the recent trip to Geneva. (Although I suspect that the lecturers who organised the trip would like to claim that that was its intention all along). That theme can probably best be described by paraphrasing (my excuse for poorly translating) the main sermon point from the French service in the Cathedral St Pierre on the Sunday morning:</p>
<blockquote><p>Unity does not mean uniformity; diversity does not mean division.</p></blockquote>
<p><span id="more-685"></span>It seems to me that one of the main challenges the churches and denominations face, perhaps moreso in this time than any other, is to work with greater integrity and grace with one another. As the Christian faith suffers at the hands of an increasingly secularised society (and, indeed, an increasingly more apathetic society &#8211; perhaps the greater danger), the public perception of division and disagreement within the Church (upper-case &#8216;C&#8217;, no one denomination) can only hasten its marginalisation.</p>
<p>The answer, of course, does not lie in creating uniformity and stifling diversity. I can&#8217;t think of anything more dire than an army of Christian clones who all act the same and think the same. And indeed, does creation itself not argue against such an approach? How easy would it have been for God to create each person in His own likeness, in exactly the same way, over and over again? Yet that is not what we have. Instead, there is an enormous variety of gifts and talents, of creativity and uniqueness.</p>
<p>Our trip included a visit to the <a title="World Council of Churches" href="http://www.oikoumene.org/" target="_blank">World Council of Churches</a> and it was fascinating getting a first-hand account of what their aims were and the challenges they face. Here, perhaps more than anywhere, the reality of unity without uniformity and diversity without division ought to have been clearly seen. And yet, we still heard stories of disagreements, but also some interesting little hints of change, of long-standing barriers gradually being broken down and challenged.</p>
<p>Of course such changes take time and there will always be voices who oppose such cross-denomination activities. But we were reminded one evening that the Reformed church&#8217;s cry of &#8216;semper reformanda&#8217; is so often mistranslated as &#8216;always reforming&#8217;. Rather its more correct understanding of &#8216;always in need of reform&#8217; seems to be something that we need to grab hold of as relationships with others develops. It says that we don&#8217;t have all the answers or the correct way of doing things. And this, of course, is another cause of Christian &#8216;clones&#8217; &#8211; a sense of having the correct answers and the right way of &#8216;doing&#8217; church means that one never questions, but simply adopts.</p>
<p><a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=64&amp;passage=Isaiah+53%3A6" class="bibleref" title="NIVUK Isaiah 53:6" target="_new">Isaiah 53:6</a> tells us that we have all wandered off the path, like sheep. We may well all behave like sheep, but with the exception of Dolly, even sheep aren&#8217;t clones. Time to stop behaving as though we need to be.</p>
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		<title>Geneva reflections</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>From the 10th to the 14th of June, I had the pleasure of spending time in Geneva with other candidates and some staff from New College. The trip was part of a rolling series of visits which include Rome and Jerusalem. I skipped the Rome trip last year as I was in Brussels. The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a rel="lightbox[2010-5-4-8-49-2]" href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_26tkXeJFOlc/TBZZgbhrwfI/AAAAAAAADo8/orLvF3CoQIE/IMG_4031.JPG?imgmax=640"><img class="pie-img alignleft" style="margin: 10px;" title="Geneva" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_26tkXeJFOlc/TBZZgbhrwfI/AAAAAAAADo8/orLvF3CoQIE/s160-c/IMG_4031.JPG" alt="IMG_4031.JPG" width="160" height="160" /></a>From the 10th to the 14th of June, I had the pleasure of spending time in Geneva with other candidates and some staff from New College. The trip was part of a rolling series of visits which include Rome and Jerusalem. I skipped the Rome trip last year as I was in Brussels. The trips are intended to be educational as well as fun and help set both the academic work and general Christian understanding in a broader world context.</p>
<p>Geneva, of course, was one of the wellsprings of the Protestant Reformation, famous largely, but not exclusively, as the place where Calvin taught and preached. But Geneva is also home to major world organisations: the UN, World Health Organisation, the International Committee of the Red Cross, UNHCR and many others. The group had the pleasure of visiting the World Council of Churches to get a flavour of the work they do and their vision for world Christianity.</p>
<p>We also took the chance to visit the cathedral, including the Sunday morning service, and we were able to worship with the Church of Scotland congregation in the Auditoire de Calvin which sits just to one side of the square occupied by the cathedral. Nikki and I also had the privilege of leading our evening devotions in the Auditoire on Friday evening. She&#8217;s <a title="Nikki's blog - A Pilgrim's Process" href="http://apilgrimsprocess.blogspot.com/2010/06/that-most-perfect-school-of-christ.html" target="_blank">written about it here</a> and I still can&#8217;t quite get over how some silly ideas came together in the way they did. I&#8217;m still not convinced that Calvin would have entirely approved, but it was so very appropriate for the occasion.</p>
<p>Add to that some sight-seeing time, an excellent art gallery and some great company and it was an excellent long weekend. I&#8217;ll post some more reflections on specific parts of the trip in due course. My photo album from the trip can be found <a title="Geneva photo album" href="http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/johnkorr/Geneva2010" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>This is not a public discussion (honest)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the spirit of not making any public statements, but encouraging discussion and understanding of the subject which cannot be named (why do I feel like we&#8217;re in a Harry Potter story?) I would like to point to some good and thought-provoking articles which were themselves pointed to in JohnFH&#8216;s blog which I sometimes [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the spirit of not making any public statements, but encouraging discussion and understanding of the subject which cannot be named (why do I feel like we&#8217;re in a Harry Potter story?) I would like to point to some good and thought-provoking articles which were themselves <a title="Ancient Hebrew Poetry - Is it possible" href="http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2010/06/is-it-possible-to-have-a-civil-discussion-about-sexual-orientation.html" target="_blank">pointed to</a> in <a title="Ancient Hebrew Poetry" href="http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/" target="_blank">JohnFH</a>&#8216;s blog which I sometimes dip into (except for his Hebrew stuff which goes whizzing over my head).</p>
<p>The first is an <a title="Beliefnet - Richard B Hays article" href="http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2004/04/Homosexuality-Rebellion-Against-God.aspx?p=1" target="_blank">article by Richard B Hays</a> which is an adaptation of a lengthier book section. It is a pretty comprehensive statement of the conservative position on homosexuality. I recall reading the full book section in 2nd year New Testament studies and found it to be useful then. That was not long before General Assembly discussed the issue of human sexuality. The <a title="Mission and Discipleship GA 2007 report" href="http://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/extranet/xga/downloads/gareports07manddchallengetounity.doc" target="_blank">Mission and Discipleship report</a> (.doc file) and the congregation discussion resource <a title="Church of Scotland - Sexuality Resource" href="http://www.onekirk.org/Resources/sexuality_ressource_colour.pdf" target="_blank">document</a> (1.5M pdf file, via OneKirk) they produced drew heavily on this work for the conservative perspective. It was also at the heart of a &#8216;<a title="OneKirk - Bible Sexuality" href="http://www.onekirk.org/bible_sexuality.html" target="_blank">refutation</a>&#8216; at the time by Paul Middleton, but that work never fully engaged with Hays and so I was left feeling that it was a somewhat selective and not entirely convincing counter-argument.</p>
<p>The <a title="Faith and Theology blog - Kim Fabricius - Sexuality" href="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/2007/01/twelve-propositions-on-same-sex.html" target="_blank">second referenced article is by Kim Fabricius</a> (on <a title="Faith and Theology blog" href="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Ben Myers blog</a>) is a useful &#8216;in a nutshell&#8217; view from the other side of the debate. The comments are extensive and worth a skim through. It is not a point-by-point argument and assumes a degree of &#8216;honest&#8217; scholarship which recognises the ambiguity in many of the scriptural references to homosexual activity. If that&#8217;s not your &#8216;place&#8217; then I would recommend doing some wider reading before decrying what Kim says. An &#8216;honest&#8217; approach will/should leave <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=64&amp;passage=Romans+1" class="bibleref" title="NIVUK Romans 1" target="_new">Romans 1</a> as one of the few &#8216;unambiguous&#8217; texts which need to be dealt with. Thereafter you may engage with his propositions and reach your own conclusion.</p>
<p>Finally, the <a title="ABC - The Drum" href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/28/2912395.htm?site=thedrum" target="_blank">third article referenced</a> is not a theology one, but rather a media comment on a recent sex scandal in Australia. It makes some very valid moral/ethical observations which, I think, are quite pertinent to the whole discussion.</p>
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		<title>Prophetic ministry</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 09:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been catching up on some reading recently (I&#8217;ve not long finished The Mystery of Christ by Robert Farrar Capon and Velvet Elvis by Rob Bell) and currently working my way through The Prophetic Imagination by Walter Brueggemann. When I&#8217;m not banging on about Emerging Church, one of my soapboxes is the need for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been catching up on some reading recently (I&#8217;ve not long finished <a title="Amazon - The Mystery of Christ, Robert Farrar Capon" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mystery-Christ-Why-Dont-Get/dp/0802801218/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1274345897&amp;sr=8-3" target="_blank"><em>The Mystery of Christ</em></a> by Robert Farrar Capon and <a title="Amazon - Velvet Elvis, Rob Bell" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Velvet-Elvis-Repainting-Christian-Faith/dp/0310273080/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1274345925&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank"><em>Velvet Elvis</em></a> by Rob Bell) and currently working my way through <a title="Amazon - The Prophetic Imagination, Walter Brueggemann" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Prophetic-Imagination-Walter-Brueggemann/dp/0800632877/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1274345713&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">The Prophetic Imagination</a> by Walter Brueggemann. When I&#8217;m not banging on about Emerging Church, one of my soapboxes is the need for Christians (especially Christian leaders) to be the &#8216;prophetic voice&#8217; within society &#8211; pointing out its failings and pointing to a better way. This is at the heart of Brueggemann&#8217;s book and I came across a passage worth quoting:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The task of prophetic ministry is to nurture, nourish and evoke a consciousness and perception alternative to the consciousness and perception of the dominant culture around us.</em> Thus I suggest that prophetic ministry has to do not primarily with addressing specific public crises but with addressing, in season and out of season, the dominant crisis that is enduring and resilient, of having our alternative vocation co-opted and domesticated.</p></blockquote>
<p>The italics are Brueggemann&#8217;s and state the hypothesis for  the book. The extract, I believe, succinctly states the mission and problem for the church. The church needs to be counter-cultural. And that doesn&#8217;t mean that it decries culture, rather it should always be asking if this is the &#8216;best&#8217; we can achieve. And by &#8216;best&#8217;, I would suggest that that means being more &#8216;Christ-like&#8217;; being fully human and fully spiritual creatures, living life in its fullest measure without fear of discrimination, oppression and injustice.</p>
<p>But the extract also highlights the biggest danger the church faces &#8211; becoming &#8216;co-opted and domesticated&#8217;. (The phrase, &#8220;Aslan is not a tame lion&#8221; has just sprung to mind). My biggest fear of Emerging Church is that the Christian distinctives get subsumed by a desire to be &#8216;relevant&#8217; &#8211; faith and worship are co-opted to suit a context, rather than that happening the other way round. Domestication comes when the church is no longer proactive but reactive and is &#8216;used&#8217; to provide social services or a place where religious-types can go on a Sunday morning. Or perhaps domestication has come through the church becoming a useful branch of Historic Scotland responsible for the upkeep of a bunch of old buildings. I&#8217;m sure there are many ways in which we have become &#8216;co-opted and domesticated&#8217;.</p>
<p>How easy is it though to rediscover our revolutionary voice?</p>
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		<title>So what?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 20:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I recently heard a sermon that got me thinking, &#8220;So what?&#8221;</p> <p>Well, it actually got me thinking a lot more than that, although it was primarily because I didn&#8217;t agree with a lot of it &#8211; or, at least, felt it was &#8216;lacking&#8217; in certain areas. But it was the &#8216;So what?&#8221; question that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently heard a sermon that got me thinking, &#8220;So what?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, it actually got me thinking a lot more than that, although it was primarily because I didn&#8217;t agree with a lot of it &#8211; or, at least, felt it was &#8216;lacking&#8217; in certain areas. But it was the &#8216;So what?&#8221; question that got me going and I was wondering how often we don&#8217;t adequately deal with the &#8216;So what?&#8217; of our faith and what we say about it.</p>
<p>Let me explain what my particular &#8216;So what?&#8217; issue was in this instance.</p>
<p>The preacher took an opportunity to have a bit of a dig at the &#8216;God is love&#8217; approach to Christian faith. This, they felt, was a limited understanding of God and threw away a significant part of the Bible which speaks of God&#8217;s justice, wrath and judgement. We got the &#8216;God loves us&#8217; bit, but in the usual illustration of a loving parent who chastises (punishes) their child &#8216;for their own good&#8217;. I got the distinct impression that God didn&#8217;t do nearly enough of that these days and we would be well warned that he might just decide to smite us all for being miserable sinners one day.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t deny that the Bible speaks of a God of judgement, but surely that is the point of the cross. Jesus was judged in our place. All our iniquities were laid on him. He became sin for us. And whatever other verses you want to throw into the mix. Christ&#8217;s death on the cross brought about forgiveness for our sinfulness, did it not? God looks on Jesus and pardons us, does he not? Yes, God judges, but God has judged Jesus so that we won&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>Or am I missing something? Was Christ&#8217;s death on the cross not quite enough? Did Christ only die for some of our sins?</p>
<p>And if that&#8217;s not the case then, other than to illustrate (one of) the purposes of the cross, why keep banging on about God&#8217;s judgement and wrath? Is it because it simply goes against the grain to think that people are getting away with things we don&#8217;t like? But is this not the very point of God&#8217;s grace &#8211; we have &#8216;got away with it&#8217;, even the worst of &#8216;it&#8217;? It&#8217;s not grace otherwise! It&#8217;s our own efforts to self-improve to be &#8216;good enough&#8217; to be accepted.</p>
<p>But what of texts which speak of a final judgement? We still have to go back to those questions about Christ&#8217;s atoning death. It either did it all or it didn&#8217;t. If it didn&#8217;t, we&#8217;re all stuffed. If it did then beating me down with how awful I am and God will judge me is a pointless exercise. What is more likely to get a response &#8211; a threat or a gift? If the &#8216;judgement&#8217; of God only falls on those who reject his gift, then why offer only a threat and ignore the gift? And if it is the gift that matters, why dwell on the threat?</p>
<p>I get the need for a balanced picture of God. I&#8217;m just not sure that the correct balance is 50:50 and that whenever &#8216;God is love&#8217; is preached it needs to be balanced with judgement. Otherwise, we risk, I think, diminishing the life, death and resurrection of Jesus with a whole series of &#8216;So what?&#8217; questions.</p>
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