http://johnorr.me.uk/2010/06/22/christian-clones/ Random mutterings and musings of mine - a work in progress Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:43:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 http://johnorr.me.uk/2010/06/22/christian-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-5175 nik Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:19:48 +0000 http://johnorr.me.uk/?p=685#comment-5175 Different is scary and obviously just CAN'T be right... so 'we' use the term 'them' or the word 'other' and start the process of dehumanising/ scapegoating.  If 'they' aren't like 'us', might as well let 'them' know 'they' are wrong... and heck, why bother with a discussion - that's only for intelligent people like 'us' - 'we' will just impose 'our' majority view - after all might is right... and if 'we' can clothe 'our' naked prejudice in robes of right-sounding righteousness, even better. 'kingdom' values - in the sense of desire for power and hierarchy... and not <em>'kindom'</em> values - in the sense that we are all brothers and sisters diverse and wonderfully made in the image of One who created and loves us and calls us to the family table to eat, drink, share, love, be grace-filled people, and live abundantly.... Although, on the subject of clones, I now have running through my head that scene from 'The Life of Brian' where he tells the crowd - 'you're all individuals - say it!' To which the crowd respond in unison, in a trance-like way... 'yes, we are all individuals'... and a lone individual says: 'I'm not' ;)   Different is scary and obviously just CAN’T be right… so ‘we’ use the term ‘them’ or the word ‘other’ and start the process of dehumanising/ scapegoating.  If ‘they’ aren’t like ‘us’, might as well let ‘them’ know ‘they’ are wrong… and heck, why bother with a discussion – that’s only for intelligent people like ‘us’ – ‘we’ will just impose ‘our’ majority view – after all might is right… and if ‘we’ can clothe ‘our’ naked prejudice in robes of right-sounding righteousness, even better.
‘kingdom’ values – in the sense of desire for power and hierarchy… and not ‘kindom’ values – in the sense that we are all brothers and sisters diverse and wonderfully made in the image of One who created and loves us and calls us to the family table to eat, drink, share, love, be grace-filled people, and live abundantly….
Although, on the subject of clones, I now have running through my head that scene from ‘The Life of Brian’ where he tells the crowd – ‘you’re all individuals – say it!’
To which the crowd respond in unison, in a trance-like way… ‘yes, we are all individuals’… and a lone individual says: ‘I’m not’
 

]]> http://johnorr.me.uk/2010/06/22/christian-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-5174 David Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:25:01 +0000 http://johnorr.me.uk/?p=685#comment-5174 Sounds like a fascinating visit, John. Lots to consider. Christian Clones are something I find dwell in my worst nightmares. All of us conforming to a given (by God, of course) set of creeds and confessions (should they be singular ??) It certainly wasn't the early church model and, as you say, not the model from creation itself. And yet... Christ talks of us being one. And I know what you'll say to me.... the rest of the qutation should be read too, (and you're right) as the Father and I are one. If Trinity is the right model for God, then we have diversity in unity and your quote is quite right. On the other hand, there are almost always reasons for division too. Not all beliefs can be correct, and there is a need to be always in need of reform. I quite like that idea. An acknowledgement that we are pilgrims on a journey and that we need to learn from each other along the way. (I'm not talking of universalism here, by the way) Enough deep thinking fro one night. Have just vegetated in front of Argentina/Greece and thinking of joining the Slovenia supporters group..... Sounds like a fascinating visit, John. Lots to consider.
Christian Clones are something I find dwell in my worst nightmares. All of us conforming to a given (by God, of course) set of creeds and confessions (should they be singular ??) It certainly wasn’t the early church model and, as you say, not the model from creation itself. And yet… Christ talks of us being one. And I know what you’ll say to me…. the rest of the qutation should be read too, (and you’re right) as the Father and I are one. If Trinity is the right model for God, then we have diversity in unity and your quote is quite right. On the other hand, there are almost always reasons for division too. Not all beliefs can be correct, and there is a need to be always in need of reform. I quite like that idea. An acknowledgement that we are pilgrims on a journey and that we need to learn from each other along the way. (I’m not talking of universalism here, by the way)
Enough deep thinking fro one night. Have just vegetated in front of Argentina/Greece and thinking of joining the Slovenia supporters group…..

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